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Hirsi Ali, via 'Aqoul:

Reason: Should we acknowledge that organized religion has sometimes sparked precisely the kinds of emancipation movements that could lift Islam into modern times? Slavery in the United States ended in part because of opposition by prominent church members and the communities they galvanized. The Polish Catholic Church helped defeat the Jaruzelski puppet regime. Do you think Islam could bring about similar social and political changes?

Hirsi Ali: Only if Islam is defeated. Because right now, the political side of Islam, the power-hungry expansionist side of Islam, has become superior to the Sufis and the Ismailis and the peace-seeking Muslims.

Reason: Don’t you mean defeating radical Islam?

Hirsi Ali: No. Islam, period. Once it’s defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. They’re not interested in peace.

Reason: We have to crush the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims under our boot? In concrete terms, what does that mean, “defeat Islam”?

Hirsi Ali: I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars. Islam can be defeated in many ways. For starters, you stop the spread of the ideology itself; at present, there are native Westerners converting to Islam, and they’re the most fanatical sometimes. There is infiltration of Islam in the schools and universities of the West. You stop that. You stop the symbol burning and the effigy burning, and you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy.

Reason: Militarily?

Hirsi Ali: In all forms, and if you don’t do that, then you have to live with the consequence of being crushed.

Told you so. Manikæisk, krigerisk, bitter, hadefuld. Radikaliseret af et dårligt liv. Det frustrerende ved den europæiske debat er at det netop er muslimhadere som Hirsi Ali, der også får mange af de gode pointer igennem som antiracister ikke tør røre ved. Et enkelt godt afsnit fra interviewet:

Also, in order to get official status here in the U.S., you have to have an employer, so it’s the employable who are coming. The Arabs who live here came as businessmen, and a lot of them come from wealthy backgrounds. There are also large communities of Indian and Pakistani Muslims, who tend to be very liberal. Compare that to the Turks in Germany, who mostly come from the poor villages of Anatolia. Or compare it to the Moroccans in the Netherlands, who are for the most part Berbers with a similar socio-economic background. It’s a completely different set of people.

I Holland har hun f.eks. også belyst problemet med kvindelig omskæring blandt somaliske indvandrere. Som Kjærsgaard, der opfordrede indvandrere i Danmark til at tale dansk med deres børn, netop fordi det er et stort problem at de tosprogede børn er så dårlige til dansk. Men det tør hverken S, R eller SF sige. Det er en af mine gamle kæpheste; at antiracisterne af berøringsangst lader problemerne vokse ind i hænderne på de fremmedfjendske partier. Så i det lys er DF en vagthund. En temmeligt klam, aggressiv og frastødende vagthund, men en vagthund ikke desto mindre.